Cyclone Center Talk
this is the first time I have ever had a storm run-out of images . I actually finished a storm . Ian shocko61
to the red cloud (short weak storm or long distance weak storm ) so I went with post tropical and there is not a lot of pink in the image ?
Is this a post tropical or shear storm for shear I had the problem of red cloud a long way from the center swirl , not sure if the distance
even though there is not any long banded features .Ian shocko61
here is a hard one to classify there is an eye and some rotation third image ,Interested to know if it is the beginning of an eye or not ,
Thank you cch001, Ian shocko61
Good day to you peterthorne , welcome back ,I thought we had lost you . we have had some difficult storms and interesting conversations. Ian
how much wind speed there is but I would not like to be at sea with this storm . have a nice day Ian shocko61
Hi 40338, I think the white cloud in the center of the image in the circular area is an embedded storm .I still do not know enough to say
Hi 61845 , where the white is very cool -81 degrees C .😃 Ian shocko61
Thank you cch001 , have a nice day. Ian shocko61
why I went yellow cloud for the 5 degrees surrounding the eye.In the previous question I called darker blue as completely surrounding .Ian
of the eye ,does that stop the bright mid blue and pale blue from having 5 degrees surrounding the eye because that is
I called this an eye storm but I ended up having yellow cloud level for the 5 degrees surrounding the eye .where the yellow is just north
Hi cch001 ,this is the forth image " eye " from Gretelle ACC002obb .Ian shocko61
before ,I am very interested in what you have to say . Cheers cch001. Ian shocko61
and a bit off center with warmer cloud just below (south ) of the eye to an eye that is trained it could be different . As I have found
had an eye in the fourth image that seemed to fit correctly with what I did in the third image although the forth image was a small eye and
did the same as I said below and it seemed to work ok .This was the third image of the storm . Weather it is correct is another thing ,I
good day to you cch001, I have just this minute finished this storm and had the same image , I clicked discuss and came straight here and I
very interesting ,Ian shocko61
I re-think the situation all over again .Ian
at a storm it has a balance to the system that I see in most storms as well as this one . when I mark a storm if that balance is not there
it would join up in the edge of the darker blue to the east . I do not think the eye could be in the colder cloud very far and when I look
to me that it may be starting to shear a bit which makes it a bit harder to follow the circular curves .The yellow eye wall looks to me like
Hi cch001, I would place the eye on the point of the middle blue just to the left of the orange spots .The broken orange cloud is suggesting
easier for choosing the storm type too and where the storm is picking up or slowing down . To me a very useful tool .Thank you Ian shocko61
Hi cch001, thank you for the information . There is that learning curve again 😉 The estimated wind speed would I think make it a lot
speed in this way . I am a very inquisitive person .Ian shocko61
I have to rethink the top speed I looked at the stats 110 kts near 220 mile per hour . Help please .I am intrigued buy the way to read wind
I will now go and look at the stats if they are still there .Ian shocko61
This is a good example of curvature and wind speed .If I could read it correctly . If sixty M/P/H is nearly once around . This is 120 Mph .
Thank you cch001 cheers .Ian shocko61
Hi cch001 , Hi Struck , I find this image very interesting too for the same reasons as stated by Struck form these things I am learning Ian
this is the second image . post tropical .Ian shocko61
Hi bretarn , post tropical ,two images nearly the same ,not sure how to get the other image here , or multiple images .Ian shocko61
Hi bretarn , false eye Is correct ,I would call it embedded .Ian shocko61
Hi cch001 , Thank you for the information I will remember that .Ah I see the light . Ian shocko61 :=)
Hi cch001 , Hi bretarn , I like that too 😉 , cch001 anew classification 😃 just joking .Ian shocko61
Hi Bretarn , I do not see too much that is wrong with post tropical . You have a dying storm .Ian shocko61
Hi bretarn , thank you very much ,it is cold and warm water not air . Ian shocko61
Thank you cch001 and Struck , the western cell does seem to be banded or starting to get longer .Ian
front , as the weather bureau sometimes says the cyclone has lost intensity due to a clod front ?? Please set me right . ???
Hi cch001, Hi bretarn , Hi Struck, a good day to you all , My mistake cchoo1 , I thought that to shear the storm was deadened by a cold
Thank you cch001 , Ian
this is what we were talking about the storm went from a weak almost shear to an embedded and back to weak then embedded in 6 images,Ian
with at least a close margin to the edge of the pink-gray and gray swirl showing that there is a cold front taking the warmer air away .Ian
a few times like that ,I found that the storm would redevelop into embedded and some times into an eye, so I like now to have shear storms
Hi Struck ,Hi bretarn ,I would give it one more shot at Embedded when I first had this type of formation I would go with shear but after
I went with eye because of the rotation from memory and because most eyes are stronger .Ian
to think about ,although they are organized for a lot of the time too But the best is Embedded they vary a lot.Ian shocko61
I think the ones that start out disorganized they give me a lot to think about ,i like a challenge . But Eye type storms give a lot
a very deceiving storm in images peaked at160knts and maintained above 100 for a long time this image is the strongest of the 6 images .Ian
very interesting the western cell is pulled into the eye in the east . view images above , The best storm I have had to make me think, Ian
Hi bretarn ,Good one my friend ,Ian shocko61
yes Struck a good day to you ,I had one like this a few days ago,Ian shocko61
Hi Struck , thank you and I do agree that the Northern storm is unidentifiable . sorry my computer has been down 24 hrs. Ian
the East is telling me that the storm is going into shear .Ian shocko61
Hi bretarn , I would go with shear especially if you look at the tutorial images the light grey swirl towards the center of the storm from
I think there is no wrong answer to this image .Ian shocko
Hi Bretarn , if it was the last image IE Number 6 image I would go with shear but curved band or post tropical fit the image too ,it is one
camera has gone as far as it can in the storm-tracking-arc . Ian shocko61
Hi bretarn , this getting close to the edge of the satellite camera coverage and in a few degrees it would show the black edge where the
Hi bretan , yes I agree , the eastern cell looks to me to be weakening .Ian shocko61
that appears to be joining the two together ,in the northeast .Ian shocko61 .
one storm in shear and a fairly strong rotation to the north or is it that the shear is part of the northern storm because of the band
I just classified this storm and held it because it is or was 150knts on of the strongest storms I have classified just for interest.Ian
Hi cch001, I just finished this storm today , I forgot that I did it 4 months ago .Ian shocko61
Hi cch001 ,and Hi bretarn. I just finished classifying Joy 1990 with this image and I clicked discuss and landed here ,Ian shocko61
although it is weakening I still would not like to be in the storm underneath . Ian shocko61
Hi bretarn ,I would tend to go eye although small the eye has a warm wall but I do not see too much wrong with Embedded either
Hi bretarn ,I would still go with eye because it has sustainable rotation all-be-it weak ,it looks like death throws .Ian shocko61
Thank you all very much I have classified Joy 1990 a few times since my early days here and it is the first time I had this double eye,Ian
from fengshen 2002-07-13 , Just coincidence .Ian shocko61
Hi cch001 , tonight about 11 hours after you posted this ,I got this image as number 6 image the 4 images before it were all eyes .
wait and see what Struck and cch001 have to tell you . Ian shocko61
( first ) image on the left . And this storm is like it is just starting to rotate . I hope that is a help, for more technical approach
weaker storm if you look at the tutorial in the eye storm category the first image should show you how the eye looks when just starting out
around the eye and the wall of the eye is dark grey ,the storm is weak like it is just starting to rotate or it is dieing down to a shear or
Hi bretarn , I would classify this as an eye because there is warmer cloud under the eye and the pink dark grey cloud is fully enclosed
when classifying eye storms IE tutorial ,cloud surrounding the center of the eye.
worries me is over classifying a storm and getting the rest of the storm wrong and is why I will go to a lower cloud level (temperature)
circulation to form an eye that it must have a lot of circulation in the lower areas ,enough to class it(them)as eyes .the thing that
cloud is classed as eye because the tutorial is usually into the warmer low cloud ?? it seems to me, that the fact that the storm has enough
Hi cch001, In the past i have had other storms that had a blue "eye" and treated them as eyes but I am still not sure if the colder blue
Hi and thank you Struck ,I had a look at the link and you did a very good job with the explanation and the graphics .Well done !Ian shocko61
There have been a lot of other storms that have had a build up toward the last image and I have not had many in a row like this before Ian
Hi cch001, thank you ,it is a very large eye and I did stop and have a long hard look before going with eye . Ian shocko61
call the eye and not sure if it is correct to classify it as an eye or as embedded . Ian shocko61
Hi casna51, interesting if there is an eye into the warmer cloud layers it is covered by a blue layer in which case I am not sure what to
Having reread this it is a bit pathetic even if I do say so . I have a better attempt in " Unexplained By cch001." click first image above
Hi bretarn I went to "Other "and called it no storm . Ian shocko61
ACC0002kam I love this type . Trying to work out which way it is going ,type wise , is keeping me on my toes .A good challenge Ian shocko61
so Please , if you can give me a lead as to where , why,and how it is there ,I will be a lot wiser . Ian shocko61
what has caused it to be there the rest of the storm does not (to me anyway ) seem to be in shear not close to the edge of the pink.
Thank you cch001, I looked at this for a long while and it seems to have pushed the eye out of shape (the warm patch ) but I am not sure
Yes thank you bretarn I do remember, some times need a jab in the rump with a stick lol have a nice day .(😉
happen . I have classified a lot of storms and need to clarify that I am still doing the right thing .About 4 storms today .Ian shocko61
storm that is stronger than it should be I read something I think it came from cch001 not sure but it was to the effect that this could
normally the images are tapering off to no storm but these seem to be building up and I am wondering if it is possible for me to end with a
ACC0002m66 , like the previous storms that I have classified today most of the images seem to be building to an Eye storm in the last image
Hi everyone here is one to think about , a double center . which is the actual storm center ? Ian shocko61
ACC0004hqh Thia storm in the first image (1 of 7) was bigger than the largest Circle for the wall of the eye . Ian shocko61
Sorry the hash tag should read ACC00019q4. Ian shocko61
storm went through a shear and died . I hope that makes sense to you . Ian shocko61
Hi bretarn, the swirl in the grey area I think is the center , and I would go with either no storm or post tropical . It also looks like the
Thank you Struck , I did not think of that because the edge is usually ,to the right or left not usually from the north or south.Ian
A little bit of data missing me thinks ended up going with embedded for ACC00042pk, Ian shocko61
The first time I have had a hard time getting 5 degrees around the eye of the storm .Ian , ACC0001q4
Thank you Struck .Thank you bretarn . I am sorry took so long to get back to you .I have been a bit busy lately . Ian
ACC0004k24 this storm has only 2 images in the final assessment but it was only a 3 day storm too .Ian shocko61
Hmmm ACC0002nl6 Ian shocko61
Two in a row trying for a hat-trick er three in a row, Ian shocko61
I usually put ACCC0001q40 a tag on things too . I have been a bit busy lately so have not been about here much .Ian shocko61
Rather unusual to have so much very cold cloud in an Eye Storm ,I usually see a little bit of white .Ian shocko61
an eye ,but I could be wrong . As I am told there is no right or wrong to worry about .
Hi bretarn , Ian shocko61 , I am not an expert at all but I would have picked the southern one because of the swirl more likely to form
crept in , being off center , but am told Vertical line can be off center due to Wind etc ,hmmm
ACC0002ig5 I would like to know what you think of this as an Eye storm ?I used the northern most pink spot as an eye. Then maybe false eye
side of the image when I clicked on them while some others did in the same set I will tell more in Chat . Ian shocko61
ACC00069lb attention peterthorne this storm Had 25 images to process and some of the nearest match images did not appear on the right hand
Thank you Struck , that had me because I had not had one like it I am still not sure that I need to yet but it may be handy Thanks , Ian
ACC0001l8u With a storm like this can I click the center of the swirl as that is storm center or should I go to cooler cloud levels, Ian
Thank you cch001 . Thank you Struck . I was a bit puzzled by this , by the wind speeds after I did the evaluation I had a look at the stats
I would not like to have been at sea with that much wind there in may lay the answer . ??
ACC0000w30 this storm reached 995 klms about mid term and I am wondering what I missed IE I made it no storm most of the way through .Ian
Hi and thank you cch001 yes that makes sense I have not had that happen before . Iive and learn lol
the curvature references and then changed to correct ,only to change again back to front like mirror images.Ian shocko61
Hi Struck ,I just had a doozzie I got 60 images for ACC0000wdu but also the reference images changed back to front for the storms and for
other coloured cloud or is pink and dark grey ok?? because other wise I had the weakest EYE storm I have seen.Ian shocko61
ACC0002ocn I made this curved band storm from the orange cloud although is is not the centre does the grey EYE have to be enclosed by
ACC0001w9x I went with embedded because the red spot looks to be off centre.Can an eye storm lean vertically make the eye look off centre?
ACC0001aup A cold cats eye storm .
ACC0001vez Yin and Yang a bit like two storms merging . I went with the left one because of the colder higher cloud took a few minutes
Thank you cchoo1 . it made me scatch my head for a while .
The easy way out was no storm twice but I think incorrect . in hind sight (no memory aahhgg) should have saved to profile .Ian
compare .Storms were embedded(sorry)shear to shear to shear but NO false colour RED in the last image had to go back and make it no storm
ACC0004hxi went from moderate emebbed to shear to shear then no false colours exept pink cloud, still shear had to no storm no red to compa
Thank you cch001 and Fezzik . Fezzik you speak like you were there . I have been 15 kilometers from the centre at Rockhampton Qld Australia
ACC0004hqx (brother 2) ended up eye storm three storms that made me stit up and take notice lol . Ian
ACC0004hqr ( brother 1 )ended up curved Band
Hi people , I had lots of fun and went with (weak ) eye storm by your comments wrong but it had 2 brothers just as tantilising.Ian
Ahh Thank you Struck .Ian
ACC0001q3w I went with embedded . I think it is a false eye . Eye is not showing warm enough air to get to the Ground ?? Ian
Thank you cch001
ACC0002igf I used the small grey spot as an eye , but it looks
( judging by the colour swirl ) to be off centre .Not sure at all.??
further to that the wind speed can go up or down with the changes but on the small scale not always . Any coments please. Ian
ACC0003r7d I am just using Fengshen example when I look at the stats on a storm it seems when the intensity changes so does the direction
ACC0002m5v at 400% magnification this has an orange spot and yellow around it .I called it an eye . Is that correct?
ACC000158e one of the coldest and or highest clouded eye storms also a very small eye that I have had to classify
ACC0001lfv seeing double eyes again but this time False? .Went with embebed .
ACC0002hlu double eye , seeing double but I think it is from graphics, with the satellite at the extreme edge of view .??
Thank you Struck that is a lot clearer now
firstly I do not think it is eyed But the bands look quite squared .I made it embedded was I correct? There is alot of cold cloud for Banded
ACC0001562 a Square "Eyed" storm . maybe I have been looking at the comp too long lol
ACC0001I6w notsure if it is I6w or l6w I magnified 200 times this eye and it has a small grey spot to the NW of the red centre not false eye
Iam not sure how to retieve the rest either shocko61
ACC0002fpl peterthorne ,I lost the rest but the 5th one was rageddy eyed and looked off centre shocko61
thank you Struck .I had one other like that but did not keep it this explaines something new for me and to be remembered .
ACC000467w is this Dianmu diing or did I do something wrong?
ACC0001qbi. Ihad this twice and am happier with the 2nd time around 😃). thank you Struck Ian shocko61
thank you gentlemen , Yes it does look like a mean so and so.
Hi 😃 thank you peterthorne for your encouraggement and Struck thankyou for your comments . is there a prob'for me to say it is a circle?
shocko61 . when the 5 degrees in this case d/blue is not a full circle is there a problem for me to say it is full circle
shocko61.Alexandra (1991-12-17 12:00:00 UTC)ACC0001qbi,I made it curved but not sure the blue area is nearly L shape .